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Let’s head into the studio now with our hostess with the Mostess, Carol J. Dunlop.

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Well. Hey, everybody, and welcome to episode two, the On Market Your Business podcast. I hope you enjoyed episode one. If not, go back and watch it right now. I’m kidding. Well, good to have you here. It’s so good to be back. As a matter of fact, that was the title of the last one. Back. I hope you enjoyed it and are getting ready for the awesomeness that’s coming at you in just a few minutes.

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So this episode is all about women of color, web designers, as I said in the intro. Well, not even an intro, but in episode one that if you don’t know any women of color web designers. Hey, you know me. I’m here. Right? But I’ve got some friends. I’ve got a couple of friends that I invited on to talk about what it’s like to be a woman of color and a web designer at the same time.

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It’s good. It’s crazy. It’s enjoyable. It’s wonderful. It’s full of. I don’t know what the heck is going on. And guess what else I got? My biz bestie, Nettie Mullins of NATing Mullins Marketing Agency, to moderate the whole thing so that I could be on the other side and be a panelist.

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Unknown
Okay, so without any further ado, let’s jump in the studio and let’s get to talking to these women of color web designers. I know you’re going to love it.

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Unknown
Hello everyone! I’m super excited today because I am hosting an amazing panel as we kicked off this season of the Unmask at Your Business podcast. We are talking about amazing things and today we’re going to be talking about website design and particularly women of color and website designing. So I’m excited to be able to talk to all of the guests that we have on today.

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So I’m going to introduce each one of them one person at a time. And then we’re going to open up the panel for a panel discussion. So first of all let me introduce myself. I am Navi Mullings with Leading Mullings Marketing Agency, and I am the host of the panel today. And I’m hosting this for Carol’s amazing podcast On Market Your Business podcast.

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Unknown
So I’m super excited for us to get into the conversation for today. So I’m going to bring first to the stage is, Bernie, and I’m going to have Bernie introduce herself and how long she’s been in the space of web design. Bernie, welcome. Oh, thank you so much, Nadine. I appreciate it. Thank you for the opportunity.

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Unknown
Absolutely. So tell us a little bit about yourself, your background and how you got into the space of web design. Well, I hate to say my age, but in the my space age, I was learning to code. I was just intrigued by, design. Then, I didn’t start my business at that time. I just to me, it was just I was just trying to get in that space, and in the space of community, and also designed and, around 2000 and, nine was when I was really heavily, into designing and coding.

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Unknown
And then 2012 was when I started all my creative services. So it was around that, 2009, between 2009 and 2012 was I was when I was truly into it, and serious about, designing with Lomi Creative Services and that’s, I love it whenever I hear my space. I know that you’ve been in it for a minute.

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Unknown
You’ve been in it for a minute, so I love that. Well, welcome to the panel, Bernice, and we will be hearing more from you shortly. Next up, I’m going to have Victoria come to the stage.

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Unknown
Welcome. Victoria. Will. Hi. I’m so happy to be here. Thank you so much for the opportunity.

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Unknown
Awesome. So tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got into the space of web design.

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Unknown
Yeah. So my business, the pure Collective web design Studio, is actually really new. I’m probably the newest person in this space on this panel. I just started my business officially about two years ago. Next month will actually be my two year anniversary. But prior to that, I always had an interest in web design. But what prompt, what actually got me into it was actually more so my interest in helping, local business owners in my area I live in, in the metro Detroit area, and I was really interested in helping business owners in my area, really flourish and, do the things that I see other entrepreneurs doing in

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other areas that I just didn’t see for us. And I initially had it, and, online business directory and I just pivoted because I was, I found that I was more interested in building the directory, like the actual act of building the website out. And that’s how I learned WordPress. I actually taught myself WordPress by building out the directory for my first, business directory.

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Unknown
And then I just seen that there was opportunity for digital marketing services, as you know, got further into the 21st century into some things like funnels and email marketing and web design. It just became so intriguing to me, and I just really wanted to create something that would allow me to share those skills with the people, the entrepreneurs that I know in my local area.

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Unknown
Yeah, I love that. So I love that our panel so diverse. We have people that been in it for a minute and people that just started two years ago, but have a passion for web design, and I love that you taught yourself WordPress. WordPress is the platform that I have my website on. I want to say the stats show that 60% or 70%.

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Unknown
You guys probably know better than me. Websites are designed on WordPress, so that’s amazing that you were able to teach yourself that WordPress platform. Yeah, you’re in the space. All right. Next up we have, Lexus.

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Unknown
All right Alexis, welcome. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. So tell us, how did you get into the space of web design? What is your back story? So mine starts further back as well. I related to not necessarily as far back as Myspace, but I basically started in 2009 and actually launched my first WordPress blog in 2010.

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Unknown
So that’s how I started was just a blog initially, and I also taught myself WordPress. It was much harder to install than And so I did that and realized that I was pretty good at it and I enjoyed it. So I took a course, and by 2012, I officially launched, basically a techie VR business where I was supporting other online entrepreneurs with their newsletters, their websites, everything.

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Unknown
I also offer web design along with the techie VR, services. And then, basically relaunched in 2020, officially again, with full service, like digital marketing and web and web design as well. Yeah, I love that. I love how a lot of people have mentioned, like the connection with email and funnels, like it’s not just, pretty website, but all the other pieces of marketing and the tech side of it too.

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Unknown
And so you’ve been in it for over ten years. So excited to have you on the panel today. And last but not least, we’re going to have Carol come on the stage and introduce herself.

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Unknown
And she is actually the host of this podcast. So Carol, last but not least, yes, I love it. I love it. I can’t tell you how awesome it feels when you have a dream or vision and you see the vision come to life, and even though you have hiccups and stuff, which is my journey, you just see it all coming out to fruition.

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Unknown
I just love it. So I want to thank everyone who is both on the panel or watching this right now, because this is a very important episode. Yeah, exactly. How do you want to give us a little background about your web design and how you got into the not just

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Unknown
I think I’m the oldest one here and the oldest, going back so far because we started in 1994 when the w w w just hit.

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Unknown
I remember all about Myspace and all the hot dogs and anybody remember Hot Dog and all of that? So my husband is one that I can blame or a credit for me doing this because I was a graphic designer for years and years and he said, your design work and your talent is just too big for this stuff that you do with this job that you’re doing.

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Unknown
So we need to start our own company. And we did. We started Creative Services International in 1994. We’re still going now. My husband and I are still together. We still love each other. And as a matter of fact, you know, we just celebrated our 30th year anniversary. So we’ve been through all the tricks and the trades and everything that goes with web design, including animation, automation, marketing, all of that.

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Unknown
So and we’re here to stay and we still have clients who have been with us 20 years, ten years, 15 years, five years. And we have a couple that just started a couple weeks ago. I love that. I always love to hear your story because it talks about your how your husband had a bigger vision, right? Sometimes, yes.

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Unknown
To us, like a spouse that may see things bigger than what we see for ourselves. So knowing that Alvin had that big vision for you to start this web design company as a couple working together, that’s a whole nother podcast, is also amazing. And you guys are still standing 30 years later, so

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Unknown
All right, I’m going to add everyone on the stage so we can start this panel discussion. And what we’re going to be talking about today. As you may know this, all of the women on the panel today are women of color. And there’s a reason for that, because the discussion that we’re having today is about what women of color face in the web design space.

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Unknown
You know, some of the things that they have to overcome, some of the things maybe they have to deal with. So we’re going to have a conversation all about women of color in web design, and we’re going to start off with kind of like, what are some of the key things that, you know, you’ve noticed that you, whether you’ve just started two years in, you’ve been in for 30 years, you know, our panel is very diverse today.

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Unknown
What are some of the things that you’ve noticed? So a couple of pet peeves. So I’m going to kind of just open up the discussion and, having a roundtable discussion, Carla will take over and make it a roundtable discussion and, have, a volunteer start. You know, as women of color in web design space, what are some of the things that you’ve maybe noticed or what are some of the challenges that you’ve had to overcome?

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Unknown
Anyone want to take a stab at that? First question? I want to start because this is my pet pet peeve, pet peeves and that is using Gmail as your email address. So doing that, if you have an email address right now, and any of any of y’all who are watching is get rid of that thing and use the email address that matches your website.

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Unknown
And the reason I say that is because why are you promoting Google and Gmail? They don’t need your help. You need to be promoting your own website. So that I got that off my chest. I actually really love that you started with that, Carol, because that’s a pet peeve of mine too. It’s like when I deal with a professional and they give me an email address as their email address.

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Unknown
I don’t look at them as a professional anymore. I don’t know. I don’t want to be an email snob or something, but it’s like you haven’t taken the time to invest in your own domain and your own domain name, and made your business professional to make sure your business, email address matches your domain. Then I’m going to question your sense of business.

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Unknown
Right. So I love that you started off with that, that, you know, even as a website designer, some of the things that you look out for is simple things like email addresses. I know one time I connected Carol with a fellow web designer. I’ll tell her about this story, and she saw in the connection that she had a keynote address, and I reached out to count that.

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Unknown
Hey, did you ever talk to that lady that does a website? It’s like, she had a Gmail and I was like, oh, I’m sorry. Yeah, you did. You’d like to come contact her, but I just can’t take this seriously right now. So I love that you started off with the Gmail address issue. Anyone else want to jump in on their thoughts about someone having a Gmail address as their actual business?

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Unknown
Email address? Any other thoughts on SAMHSa? I want to say is a pet peeve of mine, but I do agree that, it it does stand as you out as a professional. I remember some years ago, I would do a, webinar with a fellow, business professional, and what they did was on their site, they would, help assist the business owner with business credit.

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Unknown
So if any of you ever familiar with business credit, one of the mandatory things for a you to get business credit is that you have to have a professional domain. And so we would partner together to make sure that, that, those businesses who were interested in getting started with business credit, they had a professional email. So I remember, you know, teaching about that and say, hey, you guys need this, this professional email.

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Unknown
So yes, I definitely agree with it. I wouldn’t say it’s my very number one pet peeve. But I do, I do see that it is highly important, not just with business credit, but as you, as you were saying, I do stand it yourself. Apart from any other business professional is really good to make sure that you do have, a professional email with your domain.

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Unknown
Yes, it does take you apart and like, as Carol said, you know, it does, allow you to promote your business versus, Google and any other. And, I have to say, though, when I do see emails that are like Comcast or like old I’ve seen recently. So I had an AOL, like, whoa, reminds me.

00:15:00:54 – 00:15:20:48
Unknown
Yeah. So yeah, definitely. Yeah, I love that. So I have to I have a confession to make. I do have an AOL, but that’s so personal, right? Yeah. And the reason why I have an AOL is I’ve had it from the beginning. So, so many things are on that AOL. I have an email as well, but I just can’t get rid of the AOL.

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Unknown
So sometimes I see myself still using the AOL for personal, personal things like email and AOL for personal. So yeah, I understand Bernie. Now, when you talked about that’s not your pet peeve, but you also mention what your pet peeves is as far as web design, original versus samples. When clients want the exact design, as someone else. So let’s talk about your particular pet peeve and why that a pet peeve for you when a client wants an exact design that someone else, well, pet creative is in our name, so I’m all about innovation and creativity.

00:15:56:26 – 00:16:23:31
Unknown
Doing something that, that stands that client, apart from the rest, I believe in making sure that branding is important and we don’t just focus on the marketing side, but I believe branding does tear you apart from your other competitors or those that, are in your share space. And one of the pet peeves I do have is when a client has tons of samples to say, I want it just like this.

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Unknown
To me, I feel like this. For one, that’s plagiarism, design plagiarism. And that’s the thing, right? I do I agree with, you know, there some inspiration that you can pull off from looking at certain, designs, but, it’s a pet peeve of mine when I do have clients who say I want it exactly like this. Like, okay, their animation is just this.

00:16:46:45 – 00:17:13:18
Unknown
Let’s do that. I recently like, maybe two months ago, I had a client that, gave me, a website, and they wanted it exactly like that. I’m like, okay. It took away from my creativity. It took away from what I had already had a vision along with theirs. At creative, I have a gift as well.

00:17:13:18 – 00:17:33:02
Unknown
Like, I can foresee a lot of things. Like if I listen to a client, even in a session or strategy session. Glory to God is a gift from God that I really can see it like I can. I can begin to, see the visual. So it takes away from the creativity that God has given me and a gift that God gives me.

00:17:33:02 – 00:17:55:42
Unknown
If someone says, I don’t want that, I want it just like that someone else, I create it. So to me, that is like an all time, pet peeve of mine, because I like to stick to innovation, something creative, versus exactly how someone else done it. Because I feel like God has given that design or something, and they’ve created it based on their creativity and their innovation.

00:17:55:46 – 00:18:14:10
Unknown
And I wouldn’t want to take away. That’s just like if I created something, I would feel some kind of way. I look at someone else works like in his exactly how I design it. So for me, I’m like, hold up, you know, there’s something I created, so why would you, you know, why would you do it? I’ve seen it happen.

00:18:14:10 – 00:18:35:39
Unknown
I trust me, I’ve seen even with graphic designers, I’ve seen it in videos. I’m like, okay, God gave me that. I definitely know that came from God. So I know where they got that from. So to me is a pet peeve. So yeah, I love that the difference between inspiration and plagiarism, right? Yeah. It’s you desire to be inspired, not plagiarized.

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Unknown
Right. So what are your thoughts on templates? Because I know, like for me, for example, instead of starting a website, a website from scratch, sometimes you can, purchase templates and build from a template. So do you feel the same thing about templates then itself? Templates. Templates are fine because I see it like this. For one, let me throw this out there.

00:18:55:50 – 00:19:22:01
Unknown
What we offer to for clients that may not can afford even the website design from scratch. We offer templates, for our clients and so, I understand that they’re a I mean, they’re very is a reasons why someone would choose a template and for time purposes, there’s cost that, you know, people may want to they have a budget, you know, and not understand it as well.

00:19:22:01 – 00:19:47:55
Unknown
So to me, I feel like even if you use a template, you should still have some form of creativity that template is just a baseline. Like, I feel like even if you use that template, throw away your designs from there. Like you should have some type of custom graphics. It depends on the platform too as well, because there are some website platforms that you can’t go around too much of of creativity like it is cold.

00:19:47:55 – 00:20:09:40
Unknown
It the way is based on not to, you know, share certain platform names, but there are some platforms that there are templates you can’t do too much. And I try to stick away kind of like step away from that because I do have some clients are like, okay, I have built my, my the founding of it. Here, can you make it like this?

00:20:09:40 – 00:20:34:43
Unknown
And I look and I’m like, this site is a website of a WordPress. I mean, but you’re here on this basic template so that I just want clients to also know those who are watching here. To understand that, you must know what type of platform your website is going to be on and what are you looking for, because there are some platforms that, as we’re talking about templates, you can’t do too much in.

00:20:34:43 – 00:20:58:03
Unknown
They have control over that creativity on your template. So I would say templates are okay, but let’s just make a plan on exactly what you need and what you’re looking for. Because there are some templates you cannot do a lot of things for like, had people ask like they wanted a robust membership and people to download things.

00:20:58:03 – 00:21:19:10
Unknown
I’m like, okay, so templates doesn’t allow that on the back end for what you’re looking for, but I can offer this on this end. But there’s going to there’s a cost because there’s more time that goes into it. And this is not a template. This is customized, coding that, that goes into that. So yeah. Long story short, templates are okay.

00:21:19:10 – 00:21:45:46
Unknown
This is the one what you’re looking for. And if you have one goal in mind for creativity innovation, I would say okay, let’s, let’s, let’s let’s look at another option. Yeah. So I’m hearing there is a space in place for templates. But it is very restrictive. And certain platforms no name calling which for Squarespace is great. You on how what you can or cannot do right.

00:21:45:48 – 00:22:11:55
Unknown
Well no know that’s just the reality around you. Too long to launch. Hey, I’m a WordPress girl. I’ve always been a WordPress. So what you are spaces and places for those? Yeah, sure. So you talked a little bit about planning, so I want to go to Victoria to the Victoria’s pet peeve is clients not understanding the amount of planning that goes into developing and designing a website.

00:22:12:00 – 00:22:45:56
Unknown
So I share a little bit about why that’s your pet peeve. Victoria. Well, because I myself when I first started out, I have any formal training. I’ll be transparent. I have used so Daddy website builder to build the site, right. And at the time I’m like, oh, this looks good. You know, I was able to get and once I learned WordPress and I saw what was actually okay, you know, what was what was able to be done, you know, visually, I realized the limitations, just like Berniece was just saying, there are so many limitations around those things.

00:22:45:56 – 00:23:06:20
Unknown
And so when I went into WordPress and then I started building sites for a client, and, you know, you have that initial call and I’m asking questions and as I’ve, I’ve gone through these trainings and I have coaching groups at where I’m at, Carroll and we talk about these things, the first conversation that you have with the client is never about the design.

00:23:06:20 – 00:23:28:00
Unknown
It’s never about what color or what font and things like that. That’s secondary. That’s going to come later. But we first have to understand, you know, what’s your business goals and how can a website help align with those goals, and how can a website help you meet those goals and objectives? Right. And so a lot of times clients will come to you and they’re like, oh, I just need something simple.

00:23:28:00 – 00:23:48:13
Unknown
I just need a simple site. I need this built and that’s it. They have no idea that we have to talk about, well, why is getting a website right now the thing for you to do? Where are you? Your business. Okay. You want to achieve this in your business? Well, let’s talk about what a website can do to help you achieve that.

00:23:48:13 – 00:24:12:06
Unknown
And now we we’re diving deep into these questions. And oftentimes entrepreneurs are even full blown. Business owners have not thought about these things in their business. They haven’t sat down and thought these things out. And so as you’re asking these questions, they don’t understand that I need this information in order to build a website for you. They’re not only looks good, I mean, it’s going to look weird.

00:24:12:06 – 00:24:32:59
Unknown
Designer. Right? We got that part. But the functionality of it is what is really going to serve your business. And that’s what you’re paying for. You’re not paying for me to put a color scheme on your site. You’re not paying for me to install a font or make your heading this particular font. You’re paying for a tool that’s going to help business, right?

00:24:33:04 – 00:24:58:18
Unknown
And clients just do not understand that sometimes. So I think before anyone is listening, I’ll begin to think about enlisting a professional web designer. Or even if you’re going to DIY it yourself, you have to be very, very clear. First, on what are my goals of my business right now? What do I want to achieve in my business?

00:24:58:23 – 00:25:28:07
Unknown
And then your next step from that is okay. Based on those goals or those objectives, what can my website’s purpose be to align with those objectives and those goals? Like what can my website do if I want to increase sales? What is it about my website that is going to increase those sales? What types of functionality, what elements, what themes can I have on my site that’s going to impact those actual sales so that I can actually achieve my goals?

00:25:28:21 – 00:25:50:45
Unknown
And then you design around that purpose? Yeah, I love that because it’s so important, the planning part of things. Right. Making sure that you know people’s objectives and goals, it’s not just about a pretty website and colors, right? But what are we trying to achieve here with your website? So yeah, I love that planning is such a key and important part of the process.

00:25:50:49 – 00:26:11:10
Unknown
Now, Alexis, as I mentioned in the beginning, we’re all women of color, right? And I know one of your pet peeves, Alexis, is I would love to see more spaces for women of color designers. Also more of, women of color designers in large web design communities. So tell us a little why that is your pet peeve as a woman of color.

00:26:11:15 – 00:26:29:03
Unknown
Why that was the main thing that you really thought about as a pet peeve when it comes to web designing? Well, first I have to say that I kind of misunderstood the question. I would have come with more, pet peeves, aligned with what they say, because I certainly have multiple, that I could have had it.

00:26:29:08 – 00:26:51:58
Unknown
I thought it was specifically for women of color. That will be my pet peeves. Specifically in that realm. Yes. But, I also would like to say that I totally, 100% agree with everyone’s pet peeve. I have experienced exactly the same things that you all have experienced. Even my most recent clients. Everything. One of you guys I have, I have experienced experiences for so long.

00:26:51:58 – 00:27:17:22
Unknown
I just wanted to say I totally agree with everyone. But yeah, I mean, obviously when you’re in this space tech space specifically and really being a woman of color, you know, you’re always I mean, the the group that I met, Carol and Victoria and I was like the first not only black person but black person of color, I mean, a woman.

00:27:17:22 – 00:27:45:11
Unknown
I’m sorry. So it’s just like, you know, I’m so glad to see more people finally, you know, it’s just like you just always, we I’m sure we all have experiences of being, like, the only one. We’re one of the few. And having platforms like this. I’m so grateful for this platform. You know, to be able to be connected with other, just to see who else is out there doing what you do, you know?

00:27:45:11 – 00:28:07:03
Unknown
You just don’t know. You always see, not you that’s out there doing it. You’re so on that street corner out there, where are we? Where are we? I literally got a client because they said that I will send you. I’ll call them. They were looking for somebody black. Or when they found black and a woman, they were like, yes, we have to go with her.

00:28:07:03 – 00:28:36:52
Unknown
I mean, that wasn’t the only deciding factor, but that definitely played a part in it. So yeah, I just want to say more of it. You know, I love that you misunderstood the question. Unless it gives us the opportunity to open up the floor to everyone else’s experiences as a woman of color and in the different spaces and communities that you’re in, tell us a little bit more about your, experience as a woman of color, as a web designer, what has it been like for you?

00:28:36:52 – 00:29:04:46
Unknown
Anyone else on the panel want to share? I have oh. Oh, sorry. Okay, well, I was going to say I have to. I actually saw Alexis face on like a promo for the group that we’re in, and it actually let me make me feel more comfortable about joining because I saw her and I’m like, okay, so it’s not just, you know, what we typically see and don’t get me wrong.

00:29:04:54 – 00:29:34:36
Unknown
And it’s an excellent group like it is an excellent group. I’m so thankful that I joined. But I have to admit, seeing her face as one of you. Yeah, he has your face on the page everywhere I go and I’m like, okay, so she’s not here. They made me more comfortable because what you do see in space is like, you know, you’re on Facebook, you join these groups like you join groups for your page builder, or if you use or whatever platform it these different tools that you use in your business.

00:29:34:41 – 00:30:08:07
Unknown
And like Alexis say, you may be one of you know, might be a group of 10,000. You might literally see ten, ten of you in the group. Right. And I’m not exaggerating at this. And, you know, you ask the question or you may answer someone’s question and then here comes someone, explaining on top of what you’ve explained or offering something else, or, you know, trying to discount what you’ve said.

00:30:08:12 – 00:30:30:22
Unknown
And I actually made a post about this on Facebook, a couple of them maybe a couple of months ago. Just saying that what you have to deal with in this tech space as a black woman having to pretty consistently, for lack of a better phrase, get some people together in these spaces to let them know I know what I’m talking about.

00:30:30:36 – 00:30:49:45
Unknown
And when I don’t know the answer, I don’t chime in. I’m probably following the post trying to learn the answer like everyone else. But when I do chime in, I know what I’m talking about. Or when I’m asking a question. I don’t need you to dummy it down for me. I don’t need you to explain it in a different, you know, explain it to me.

00:30:49:50 – 00:31:16:43
Unknown
I’m here like you understand? And if I am learning something, I have to remind the guy, say, well, remember, you weren’t born knowing how to do this either. So let’s back up for a second and be nice. Hi to everyone, because there was once a point in time in your life that you didn’t know this either. So remember that the next time you want to answer a question, and the next time you want to address someone and I, you know, you find yourself having to do that quite often.

00:31:16:55 – 00:31:37:48
Unknown
And I try not to feel like it is me or I’m being overly sensitive because it happens in different spaces. It happens in different groups. So these terms, you know, you don’t want to use these kind of but mansplaining is a thing like it truly happens. And it’s like, I don’t want you to apply this to me. I’m I’m intelligent, I know this as well.

00:31:37:48 – 00:31:57:03
Unknown
And I know these words. I’m asking this question over here. So I need you to help me with this. I don’t need your background information on this thing over here. So it gets very frustrating. And and it helps when I see women of color, black women in particular in this space, because you just do not see it that frequently.

00:31:57:07 – 00:32:12:52
Unknown
Yeah, I love that shit. So yeah. So having a sense of safety, having a sense of familiarity when you see someone’s face, like elections in that group, do you guys want to shout out the group or. No? Okay, I don’t know. You mentioned the group a couple times. I don’t know if you want to shout out. Yeah. Oh yeah.

00:32:12:52 – 00:32:39:00
Unknown
Where is Web Design Pro? I mean, it’s amazing. It is what it is. And not there on the streets. Unless you guys. What I do is I tell people all the time, I’m like, yeah, if you can, by all means. Definitely. It’s, it’s very diverse. It is a very diverse group. There are people from all over the country, all over the world, as a matter of fact.

00:32:39:00 – 00:32:58:07
Unknown
I mean, that’s how I met Alexis and Victoria the first day I know my name, I was looking for something that I can’t remember, and Victoria’s face popped up and I was like, hey bro, I’m so good to see you here. And I did Alexis the same way I did once the person and we did have a of a conversation, but she couldn’t get on here.

00:32:58:21 – 00:33:17:18
Unknown
And I wanted to say one thing about, the women of color web designers in a group that I’m in, I’m not going to say what the group is or anything. Everybody was, asking a question to this new person who had just come in and there’s new person who had just come in, was like, yeah, a young white guy.

00:33:17:22 – 00:33:38:28
Unknown
And they were, you know, commenting on whatever, whatever, whatever. I commented, he did not say one thing to me, not one. Not a comment, not a like, not an anything. And at first I didn’t think anything about it. But then I kept noticing that every comment and and y’all know I am. I can’t keep my mouth closed when I know something.

00:33:38:28 – 00:33:56:46
Unknown
I feel something. Every time I would comment on something, I did it for 2 or 3 times. But the third time I was like, this person is done, done. I’m not saying anything else to them. I’m not offering any of my knowledge because I didn’t get any respect back. And anybody can say anything. I’ve been to sensitive or whatever, I don’t care.

00:33:56:57 – 00:34:14:14
Unknown
I had that feeling. I know the feeling. I was born in 1962 when it was crazy, crazy, crazy out there. And I go back, I don’t know, maybe that that wasn’t the thing. So I was, you know, it’s it’s rough in these streets sometimes. It really is. It’s very that’s a very reason why I wanted to bring us together.

00:34:14:15 – 00:34:36:24
Unknown
I’m glad I have, you know, two of my sisters who were in the group. I have the Bernese who I’ve known for a while. And then I have Nadine, and all of us are here really trying to kind of do the same thing, help others be greater than they are. So, you know, like I said, this thing coming to fruition and to be a safe space to say what we need to say so other people can understand it.

00:34:36:31 – 00:35:00:33
Unknown
Because, you know, when you’re in a crowd with other people, any others and you say something, they are looking at you like you’re crazy. But when you surround it with the people who know you and you say something like, yeah, child, yeah, I know what you say. It’s just like, this is important. Yeah, I love that. Carol is is also about, you know, as women number one and then as women of color, a lot of times were dismissed in a lot of spaces.

00:35:00:33 – 00:35:23:51
Unknown
Right. Were not acknowledged, were not noticed, were not. So that example that you just shared, Carol, is an example of what can happen as much as like a tweet said, hey, I’m knowledgeable. I know what I’m talking about here. I won’t be posting if I didn’t. Some people always have this thought or idea of us not being, being left right, be less knowledgeable.

00:35:24:04 – 00:35:46:01
Unknown
So not being, so it’s important to have these conversations to talk about these things because it is a reality. It’s what you’re dealing with in these web design spaces and what a lot of women of color are dealing with in corporate America and in, in different spaces. So it is a thing. It is a real thing. But I do also want to lighten things up and talk about the joy of web designing, right?

00:35:46:01 – 00:36:05:26
Unknown
You guys got into the space because you love the web designing. So I’d love for you guys to share. Why is this something that you find joyful to the point where you even like Bitcoin, just recently switched to a whole career, right? And now is in web design? Or if you’ve been on for 30 years, like Carol or decades, what is the joy of web design?

00:36:05:26 – 00:36:08:57
Unknown
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00:37:32:08 – 00:37:59:30
Unknown
I find it joyful. For me, like I said earlier, I truly enjoy seeing people seeing us grow. Okay, so when I got into this space, I didn’t know anything about, a funnel or email marketing or webinars or any of that I had been subjected to them, and I began to recognize when I was in a funnel and I began to recognize these different things.

00:37:59:35 – 00:38:29:00
Unknown
But I noticed the people that were doing these all the same. And then I know all these people in my area that have businesses that were entrepreneurs, and I did not see them handling business in this way. And I wanted to let people know, this is how you can grow your business like that. You are you have this whatever this, your your business is your travel agent or you, whatever you are, you do nails.

00:38:29:05 – 00:38:59:48
Unknown
This is how you can make this an actual business. Like I wanted to people. I see courses, for example, this lady, I got a, newsletter this lady made, like six, figures. No, $6 million. I’m sorry, $6 million with a course on how to grow a home herb garden. Okay, so there is money out here, and people are making money because they know how to use these tools in the right way.

00:38:59:48 – 00:39:17:54
Unknown
They understand digital marketing. They understand how to put all these different things into place. And so it’s a joy for me to be able to explain this to people like you have this idea for your business. You’re doing great. Well, look, this is how you can put this on autopilot. This is how you can. I started my podcast here.

00:39:17:55 – 00:39:43:54
Unknown
I reached out to me and based off of what she said, I started my podcast. I, she told me about StreamYard and do this, and I started my podcast. Right. And just her sharing that information with me, I didn’t know it was that easy to start it. And so, you know, being able to explain to someone, this is how easy it is to put these, you know, do these lead magnets, this is how easy it is to get these people in your list.

00:39:43:54 – 00:40:01:57
Unknown
And so when you have something new, you got this group of people you can just shoot this out to, and they’re going to buy it because we don’t know that these things exist. And that’s kind of where it all just comes from me and and makes it really enjoyable when I’m able to share that with people. Yeah, I lost that battery.

00:40:01:57 – 00:40:24:53
Unknown
Anyone else? Why is, being a website designer, joyful for you? What’s the most joyful thing about it? So I’ll say, the creative process is really joyful for me. I’m always nervous every single time I start a new website. It doesn’t matter how long I’ve been in or how many I’ve done, I’m always nervous. And I always hope they like it.

00:40:24:58 – 00:40:44:48
Unknown
Like every time I send it over, I’m like, I hope they like it, you know? And I’m always like, oh, I’m pins and needles until they respond, you know? So that’s probably never going to go away. But when I’m in the design process and I tinker around enough to get to that. Yes. Like I just feel that. Yes.

00:40:44:48 – 00:41:12:31
Unknown
Inside. Like yes. Finally. Okay. Yes. This looks good. You know. And I know that I’m representing them. Well. It’s not just about the design. It’s not just about how it looks, but it’s also really heavily about the strategy involved. A lot of what Victoria has been saying embedded in the compelling marketing copy. I have had to go back and forth with people about, you know, answering my phone properly so that I can pull that copy out of them and have it prominently on there.

00:41:12:45 – 00:41:33:46
Unknown
All of that goes into that. Yes. For me, you know, it has to look good. It has to sound good when when people are, you know, landing on it and reading it and all of that. And so and it also has to create the result that, that they are looking for. So on the, on the back end is the creative process.

00:41:33:51 – 00:42:00:12
Unknown
On the front end is the results that you can, you know, really create for the client. And I just have to share to my, my recent, recently launched site. My client was so very picky and he wanted elegant and he wanted all of these, like, high expectation words that he, he gave me. And it made me even more nervous, like, but I was like, you know what?

00:42:00:17 – 00:42:21:40
Unknown
I’m going to I’m up for the challenge. Let me make the top and mind. So he wants elegance and clean lines and all of this, but his his logo looks nothing like that. So I’m like, how? How do I do that? But but I, I rose to the challenge. He was so impressed that I was just like so happy that he was so impressed.

00:42:21:40 – 00:42:40:57
Unknown
And it’s like, that’s what you want in your work. You know that your your you’re feeling so happy and proud of yourself in the work that you’re actually doing and the results that, that you’re giving people. He, he mentioned that he talked to a colleague who said, oh, I can just get AI to build me a website.

00:42:40:57 – 00:42:56:39
Unknown
And he said, yeah, but who want to have a website that looks like this? He was like the he was like the authenticity that you put in here of who I am in my business or what my business represents that you were able to put into this web design. There’s no way that he would be able to get that.

00:42:56:39 – 00:43:17:06
Unknown
And that was just like such a high compliment. So that’s another joy that I get out of it, for sure. I love that, Alexa. So the joy of the process of creating and then the results that you get for your clients is what makes web design so joyful for you. Anyone else want to chime in before I move on to, another question I have for you guys.

00:43:17:19 – 00:43:44:21
Unknown
I want to answer that. So when Joy is is seeing that I lived a client that, was doing a lot of work on the back end and to see how that website design has helped remove that process for them. Like, you know, some clients, they’re sending out emails or they’re sending out a, PayPal link or a cash app for someone to, pay for their product or service.

00:43:44:24 – 00:44:02:39
Unknown
I’m like, hey, you know, we can create a website that can help with that process. They can complete a form on your site, they can pay. You know, they can. There’s an automation process that can, you know, be added to your site so you don’t have to do that. And just the joy of seeing that client like you, I don’t have to.

00:44:02:44 – 00:44:26:02
Unknown
I don’t have to do this anymore. I have something, and I can just quickly send, clients to you. Right now, we’re helping a, school and what they are doing, actually, a, they were, class of 88, I think. I think 80 is I think a class of 88. And so what they were doing was taking dues.

00:44:26:06 – 00:45:01:03
Unknown
They had one person actually doing everything, making the calls, sending the cash out, for that. So there is one person. So they reached out to me say, listen, if we have one person doing this, we we want to relieve them. So to me, the joy of relieving that 1 or 2 people that have been doing a lot of things, that that website can be their main thing or solution for those clients that have been working on it and making those calls and getting all the information that now having a website, you don’t have to.

00:45:01:03 – 00:45:21:38
Unknown
So that’s the joy, you know, relieving that those people that has been doing it for a while, but they have that solution that’s going to take away that job duty that they had. So yeah, definitely. That’s one of the joys. I love that I need to helping to be efficient and effective with processes for companies is a joy for you.

00:45:21:38 – 00:45:49:51
Unknown
I love that. Well, it’s so Alexis mentioned a little bit earlier about, someone said, hey, I could just have I built my website. Right. So I wanted to ask you guys about, some people even say, I don’t really need a website nowadays. I can get a landing page and use just the landing page. So I wanted to hear you guys thoughts on, why is needed and necessary to have a full website now, why could you not just have I do something or maybe just drop a landing page?

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now? Tomorrow? I, I, I know I’ll kind of start off this one, but I wanted to say a lot of people I’ve talked to say, well, I don’t need website, I just do Facebook or just do Instagram. And the one main thing I say, you know, on Facebook, you know, on Instagram, and they put you in Facebook or Instagram, jail all yours or delete your account, which I know several people who have gotten their their whole thing deleted.

00:48:34:10 – 00:48:55:40
Unknown
You are out of luck. You can never get those people back. You didn’t even know how to contact them. And I didn’t want to say one thing about a landing page. A landing page. We have to look at it like it can’t be an introduction to a website, but you need to have a landing page that’s, your own domain, not a lead pages landing page or a anything else landing page.

00:48:55:55 – 00:49:16:04
Unknown
If you can’t get a whole website now, that’s good. We know, you know, we all have those people who come to us and say, you know, my budget is this, but I need that. Okay. Why don’t we just start with the landing page, but put that landing page on your own domain, especially if you use WordPress. You’ll you can expand that into a full website anytime you want.

00:49:16:04 – 00:49:37:31
Unknown
But you definitely need a website because anything else you don’t own. And if you don’t own something, y’all know, y’all know what happened with stuff that you don’t own. It can be taken away really quickly. And is branding, I mean, you know, like, like Carol mentioned in the very beginning about the emails, you know, if you use Gmail, AOL or any of those, you’re branding that company.

00:49:37:31 – 00:50:01:29
Unknown
So, you know, when you I look at that same analogy with, you have your website, you’re branding your brand, you are branding your website, you are sharing your vision, your your branding, your company’s name versus, you know, you send a link, you’re branding Instagram, you branding, Facebook. And two, I think the difference also is SEO search engine optimization.

00:50:01:29 – 00:50:25:10
Unknown
So like when people are searching for you, you know, then they’re searching for that social media name, they’re searching for the name of that brand versus your company is so many list of things I can name. I think when it especially those short links like Linktree, is taken away from a lot of the, the necessity of a website.

00:50:25:10 – 00:50:45:34
Unknown
And so you find people that don’t want to spend and a website developer or don’t want to spend the time in the process, they would rather have it easy. Okay, I can click this. I can easily click to put my information in here. We are in a society where people prefer templates. Then going through a process period.

00:50:45:34 – 00:51:13:53
Unknown
And I think that’s one of the reasons why you will find people will choose versus, they will choose the short way versus the process of developing a site. But let me say this though, our reason why I wanted to quickly share about this, because I’ve been talking about the, progression of AI and Web3. I’m also in that tech space where I am also often in, virtual reality.

00:51:13:58 – 00:51:42:29
Unknown
And I find that what happens and what’s happening is I believe in the Web3 is going to replace website design, period. And I can see how that’s going to replace us. Another topic, but I can’t see how because I’m in that space often. I can see that that’s the next website design and website, brand versus what’s now with the social media and the websites.

00:51:42:34 – 00:52:02:26
Unknown
But I think right now between, I say, at least 3 or 4 years, there is going to be an importance for website design, because of the changes of social media. And then there are people that aren’t in that web. Three they haven’t transferred. They have it transfer over completely to the web. Three people are still trying to figure that out.

00:52:02:31 – 00:52:26:13
Unknown
And because of that, they are still relying on website design, social media, etc. the basic, what we call, you know, the web two up space as well. So I think right now there is an a point for what we do, as we transition over to Web3. Now, for those of us that may not be familiar with Web3, that may be like the, industry term, explain what Web3 is.

00:52:26:18 – 00:53:03:49
Unknown
It’s more so like the blockchain, where, you’ll find that, instead of a basic website, people can actually be immersed in your space like we have at Loma Creative Services. We have a Web3, virtual reality, where whatever we’re doing and the 2D space, like podcasting, website development, we’re designing spaces for companies instead of developing the websites, which we do, we also develop that immersive space so people can be immersed in it, have their virtual reality hit space, and they have their, excuse me, virtual reality headset.

00:53:03:53 – 00:53:32:37
Unknown
And, people are immersed in that space versus actually just scrolling at a regular WW. Gotcha. So very soon the URL will fade away because of that Web3 space. But I think right now, because not as many companies are transitioning over as of yet, I do believe that there is a need for web two, which is social media and website design.

00:53:32:41 – 00:53:58:42
Unknown
But, definitely. I do see the importance of that because you find people that are I’m looking, of course, always looking for services, always on Google, looking for the next restaurant, looking for the next, place to go, the next adventure, next business products, services. And so because of that, yes, it is important that we do have the URL at the moment.

00:53:58:42 – 00:54:16:15
Unknown
So definitely. Yes. Yeah. Anyone else want to chime in? Why is it important to have a website and not just rely on social media or just a simple landing page? Yeah, I think people forget that whatever you do out there in the world, like in social media, if you do ads or anything like that, that’s that’s a point.

00:54:16:15 – 00:54:39:01
Unknown
Back to your site, your your website does the conversion right. You you bring the people in, they begin to know you and like you and all of that on social media, no doubt. You know, having, a presence is typically needed for businesses in today’s time. You have to have a social media presence, but you’re not conducting business on social media.

00:54:39:01 – 00:55:03:20
Unknown
You have no control over who social media shows your content to. You could be shadow walk and not even know it. You know you’re constantly posting and no one is not commenting or anything. You have absolutely no control over that. But you know, when we talk about like yes, yellow space in your you can actually kind of begin to guide people to where you want them to be on your website.

00:55:03:25 – 00:55:22:28
Unknown
Anything that you do externally is always going to lead back to your site. Your site is what converts them. That’s where the transaction should be taking place, not on social media. So yeah, right. Yeah, I love that because it always reminds me of what Carol always said. Your website is your help. I always have a voice in my head.

00:55:22:42 – 00:55:50:29
Unknown
Your website is your hub online. Your website is your help online. That’s exactly what you were saying. Victoria. Now, I’ve been really enjoying this conversation and honestly, I think we could probably spend a whole nother hour together talking about web design and, you know, the plight of women of color in the web design industry. But I do want to make sure we, end on a note from everyone, kind of, chiming in about, final thoughts on web design, anything that you feel led to share with the audience as a final thought.

00:55:50:29 – 00:56:19:05
Unknown
And then I believe you all have a gift, something that you want to share with the audience. So then I’ll also go around and find out what your special gift is or, additional information you wanted to give the audience. So what would be a final thought? A final thought when it comes to web design, women of color and web design, whatever you feel led to share as we wrap up this episode, I want to share my tip for all women of color.

00:56:19:10 – 00:56:51:40
Unknown
Make sure that you first have a Google business profile, not so sure website, but also the Google Business profile. So people in your area can find you and on your Google Google business profile, make sure you have woman owned business and black owned business. Yeah, I literally have gotten three clients specifically because I have those things on my Google business profile, which led them to my website, and then they contacted me and became clients.

00:56:51:44 – 00:57:16:48
Unknown
And I have a question on my form that asks them, you know, if you found me on Google, what did you search for? And each one of them said, black web designer. So if they are looking for a person of color, a black web designer in their area, you want to be the one to come up. And I work hard for that in my area because a lot of people don’t know how to do it or don’t do it.

00:57:16:53 – 00:57:36:47
Unknown
So you can definitely get clients that way. I just want to always share. I feel like that’s a really important tip to share for any want of color, that they should know that. Yeah, I love that. I love the importance of the Google your business part of it and making sure you have that done. Any other final thoughts as we wrap up?

00:57:36:52 – 00:57:57:48
Unknown
Get a website? Yeah, I see you at this point. Yeah, definitely. I think we all can agree and all been saying the same thing. It’s important. So make sure that you know that it is important. If you have a business, you have product, you have a brand, you have a service. You need a website that’s also.

00:57:57:59 – 00:58:29:49
Unknown
Yeah, and a website. That’s the final thoughts. And then Victoria, final thoughts for you. I would say definitely try and find a space where you feel safe, and find us, a space with other women of color, to support you. You are you not. You’re not. I don’t want to say you’re not. But the likelihood of you being able to do it, 100% and totally on your own is, it’s kind of low.

00:58:29:49 – 00:59:10:01
Unknown
So I would highly recommend, reaching out to, you know, developing some type of community or, space where you can find people like you to help you, you to have a team or group of people to bounce ideas off of and actually just to even if, even if you’re just reading some of the things that they say, it keeps your mind kind of in that mode and it keeps you from having like that imposter syndrome or, or not continuing to be motivated because you’re constantly seeing things that everyone is doing, and it keeps you motivated and it keeps you in that space mentally so that you keep going.

00:59:10:13 – 00:59:36:35
Unknown
So I think having a space something like this is it for me. It it really changed a lot for me and my business. I love that Victoria. So the importance of community. So finding those right spaces as women of color, is important for that motivation, that accountability, that inspiration, that support all of the above. Yeah. All right Carol final thoughts before we get into, how people can connect with each one of you guys.

00:59:36:35 – 00:59:57:28
Unknown
And if you have any special gifts that you want to give. Carol, what are your final thoughts? Oh, my final thought is that don’t compare your beginning with someone else’s middle. So you may be out there looking at all these wonderful, awesome, super performant websites and like, I want that, but I can offer that. Start where you can.

00:59:57:30 – 01:00:12:30
Unknown
The number one place you. If you can’t get a whole website, get a landing page. If you can’t get a landing page, you can do some other things. And I’m sure that if you contact any one of us, we can tell you some things you can do, but don’t lose it. You know, you got to be out there.

01:00:12:30 – 01:00:29:49
Unknown
You got to be in front of people. No one’s going to hire you if they don’t know you exist. So that was one thing that I really want to let you all know. And then I’m going to start this off with my free gift to everyone is my Wow website planner. This is more than just a, piece of paper.

01:00:29:49 – 01:00:48:59
Unknown
I guess it really dives deep and lets you know exactly what you need to do to create your Wow website, because no matter what is a dollar website, we will wow websites and that’s what we create. So my gift is the Wow website planner. The link will be in the show notes. So you can so you can read it.

01:00:48:59 – 01:01:18:17
Unknown
But if you want the link it is CSR corporation.com/planner. Awesome. I love that. Someone else want to go ahead and share. Either how people can get in contact with you or if you have a free gift. My my website is, Lexus p myers.com. My free gift is a strategy call to talk about your, website strategy, your digital marketing strategy.

01:01:18:17 – 01:01:46:24
Unknown
I’m happy to offer that to anyone looking for it. And the link to that will be a Lexus T myers.com/call. Okay. Awesome. And, Bernie, I would like to offer a 30% off on website design. For our three page website, designed, package. And that expires October the 12th. So you guys make sure that you take advantage of that at launch and creative services.com.

01:01:46:24 – 01:02:10:52
Unknown
And the code is CSR. LLCs. So their CSR LC is awesome I love that Victoria. Yeah. So my free gift is my website planning guide. It just helps people to begin the planning process gathering everything that you need. I’m really big on that planning piece, so, I really try to start every one off with that.

01:02:10:56 – 01:02:31:59
Unknown
So just a very quick guide to kind of get you in the mindset of what you’re going to need as you’re starting your web design process, whether you’re going to DIY or you’re going to work with a professional designer. The link will be in the show notes. It’s kind of a long link, so I’m not even going to say it here, but it will be in the, in the show notes for those who wants to take advantage of it.

01:02:32:04 – 01:02:54:00
Unknown
Okay. Awesome, awesome. So I have really enjoyed this conversation. I definitely, for those listening, those who are watching, take advantage of these amazing women of color that I do an amazing things in the web design space and the opportunities that they presented through, the offers that they’re giving, concessions to, discounts the planners take advantage of it all.

01:02:54:05 – 01:03:00:15
Unknown
So thank you for your time and for being on the On Market Your Business podcast.

01:03:00:15 – 01:03:09:19
Unknown
Would you like to get free coaching for me? Simple. All you need to do is go to on marketer business.com/podcast.

01:03:09:19 – 01:03:38:16
Unknown
All right. I hope you enjoy that. Did you find out a lot about us? These women of color web designers out here, there’s more than one right there. I know, was interesting. It was funny. It was, something to chat about. And I want to thank all my guests. Bernice, Victoria, Alexis, and most of all, Nadine, for coming in and just being vulnerable, being just, you know, sharing what they wanted to share.

01:03:38:17 – 01:03:58:31
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It was great. So, a couple of housekeeping things before you go. If you liked this episode, please review it or whatever platform that you get your podcast on because it helps us so much. If you leave your review and tell us how much you enjoyed it, I will accept nothing less than a five star review. I’m really kidding.

01:03:58:32 – 01:04:24:25
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I really want your real honest opinion about it, so please leave a review. It will help others to see if this podcast is right for them or not. And the other thing I want you to do is get this book. This book is prayers and inspiration for mom for nerds. Now, actually, since we’re all, women of color, web designers were also, I think all of us are mom nerds as well.

01:04:24:40 – 01:04:44:15
Unknown
Or most of us, I’m not sure. But you know, the mom nerds need some help. Especially right now. There’s a lot going on in the world. There’s a lot of uncertainty. There’s just a lot of we won’t even go into what there’s a lot of. But this book is a journal and it shares the story of the thing I’m in.

01:04:44:15 – 01:05:05:40
Unknown
It was at five, 5 or 6, I believe. I’m sorry, I don’t have it. So I can look at it because, you know, I don’t have all my stuff with me, so I can’t see, but it’s 5 or 6, women entrepreneurs, mom for nerds, women of faith and it’s a journal that will really help you on this journey that you’re on.

01:05:05:40 – 01:05:12:10
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So it’s, prayers and inspiration for mom for nerds. Go out there and get it right now

01:05:12:10 – 01:05:35:35
Unknown
okay. The website for that is. See us at corporation.com or slash mom. But that is one word mom book. So go get your copyright now be inspired. Especially if you’re a mom preneur or you know, a mom preneur you can help them out by giving them this book. So again, I want to thank all my guests, all my women of color, web designers, all you want to be women of color, web designers.

01:05:35:35 – 01:05:58:59
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If you need anything from us, feel free to contact us. We are all in the show notes will be all the information and get in contact with everyone. And then next week, my very special guest, Lisa Pickens is going to be on and she is going to be talking about redeeming your time. As I said in the intro that I did last week, it’s an intro, but I guess it’s the intro for the podcast.

01:05:58:59 – 01:06:12:08
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As I said last week, I got a new saying, you have time and I use it everywhere all the time with everyone because you really do have time. So thank you so much and I’ll see you next time.

01:06:12:08 – 01:06:42:35
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01:06:42:40 – 01:06:45:40
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See you next episode!